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May
25, 2005
Planning Board Minutes
Oswego Town Hall |
Chair:
Judy Sabin-Watson
Town Board Members: Francis Dellamano, Kenneth
Kern,
Lee Phillips, Barry Pritchard, John Pritchard
Alternate: Robert Smith
Attorney To The Board: Stephen Greene, Jr. |
CONTINUATION
OF PLANNING BOARD MEETING FROM MAY 16, 2005
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Call to Order:
At approximately 7:00 PM, Judy Watson, Chairman of the Planning
Board called to order the continuation of the May 16, 2005 Planning
Board Meeting.
Attendance:
Those
in attendance were:
Chair
Member
Member
Member
Member
Attorney
Secretary |
Judy
Sabin-Watson
Francis Dellamano
Kenneth Kern
John Pritchard
Barry Pritchard
Stephen Greene, Jr
Marjorie Best |
Absent was:
Old
Business:
Application #2005-02 - Ronald L. Hawe:
Judy explained she had a meeting with Brian Frazier and Attorney
Steve Greene regarding the Environmental Impact Statement. There
were several items on Part I that needed to be changed or clarified,
or that were not filled in. She said she attempted to go over
them with Mr. Hawe by phone, but unfortunately got into a verbal
confrontation, so she stated to him that we would review the
changes at the meeting on May 25th. Judy went over the changes
for approval as follows:
Page 2: We needed more description on exactly what we are looking
for. What she has added is 27 RV sites; 10 tent sites, and a
total of 10 acres located at 7669 State Route 104, Oswego, NY.
Page 3, Item 2: Presently 5 acres of meadow or brushland. Ron
Hawe stated it would be 5 acres of grass or lawn. Fran Dellamano
said meadow is different than grass. Judy said the math does
not agree, as Mr. Hawe filled in 5 acres of meadow presently,
and 7 acres after completion; and manicured lawn, 5 acres presently;
and 6 acres of manicured lawn after completion, which would
add to 13 acres. Ron said he has gravel at every site for motor
homes to park, that he is not going to have them park on the
grass. After some discussion, Section 2 will list 5 acres presently
of meadow, and 5 acres presently of manicured lawn. Judy and
Richard Palmer, who appeared with Mr. Hawe came to that agreement.
Judy said there is nothing indicated as to Forested, Agricultural,
Wetland, Water Surface Area, or Unvegetated. Ron Hawe said the
approximate acreage is 10 acres, and to be exact 9.85 acres.
Page 4: Does the present site include scenic views known to
be important to the community. Judy filled in No. Streams within
or contiguous to project area, she stated None, and Lakes, Ponds,
Wetland Areas within or contiguous to project area, she stated
None. All were in agreement.
Page 5: Length of project in miles, Judy indicated NA; as well
as if the project is an expansion, NA; and maximum vehicular
trips generated per hour, as 3; If residential: Number and type
of housing units, NA. All were in agreement.
Page 6, Item 6: If single phase project - Anticipated period
of construction, Judy indicated 2 months. Ron Hawe said he had
been working on it for 23 years. After some discussion, it was
agreed 2 months. Item 16: Will the project generate solid waste.
Judy checked Yes instead of No, because there will be garbage.
Item 16a: The amount of garbage per month, Judy indicated "unable
to obtain information" as we do not know how much garbage
will be generated. Item 16b: Will a solid waste facility be
used, Judy checked Yes. Item 16c: The name of the facility will
be Butler Disposal located in Oswego. All were in agreement.
Page 7, Item 23: Total anticipated water usage per day. Judy
contacted the Health Department, and found that 1,309 gallons
would be used per day. All in agreement.
Page 8: Approvals Required: Judy checked Oswego Town, Oswego
County Health Department, Oswego County Planning Board, DOT,
and DEC. In Section C-1: Zoning and Planning Information, does
proposed action involve a planning or zoning decision, Judy
checked Yes, and checked Site Plan and Special Use Permit. Steve
Greene stated a Special Use Permit is required in an R-4 District.
The members looked over the survey map, detailing what sections
of the property are in R-4, Open and Commercial. Part of the
road will be in R-4. All in agreement for Page 8.
Page 9: Ron Hawe indicated on No. 3, What is the maximum potential
development of the site if developed as permitted by present
zoning as 100%, and No. 5, What is the maximum potential development
of the site if developed as permitted by proposed zoning, as
100%. She asked if he was going to use every bit of available
space. After some discussion, it was agreed both 3 and 5 will
be 50%.
Page 10, Item 11: Will the proposed action create a demand for
any community provided services (recreation, education, police,
fire protection. Judy checked yes. Item 11a: If yes, is existing
capacity sufficient to handle projected demand, and Judy wrote
in Police and Fire. All were in agreement.
Judy Watson stated she, Steve and Brian Frazier went over Part
2 of the Environmental Impact Statement. Steve Greene stated
this cannot be approved tonight. According to Section 239 (l&m),
because the project is 500 feet from a state highway, a decision
will be made within 30 days. We have to hear from DOT and DEC.
Judy asked for a Motion to that effect. Barry Pritchard made
a motion, and John Pritchard seconded the motion. All ayes,
Motion carried.
Part of the packet is the New Business Permit. Fran questioned
the operation - summer only? He said we should put it as 12
months a year. Electric is involved and if Ron wanted to stay
open, why not indicate 12 months a year. Judy asked for a motion
to change it to 12 months a year. Barry Pritchard made the motion,
and Kenn Kern seconded it. All ayes. Motion carried.
Ron Hawe was somewhat irritated about waiting another 30 days.
He showed that he had building permits from the 1980ís.
Steve stated we are doing the best we can, but when the State
Organizations are involved, we must go by their rules.
Ron claimed he dealt with the Planning Board for years. Fran
said he had been with the Planning Board from day one, and he
never appeared before the Planning Board, it was the Zoning
Board of Appeals. Ron also brought up the subject of putting
the water line in, which cost him $920, and had problems getting
it installed and tapping in. He said that was one more problem
he had over the years.
Richard Palmer stated he wants to get things done, so Mr. Hawe
can open his campground. Steve again said when we get all the
findings back from the DEC, DOT, and other agencies, and everything
is in order, we will put a stamp on it at the next meeting.
John Darling:
Fran Dellamano brought up the subject of John Darling, who appeared
at last week's meeting asking questions about a development
he wants to put in. There is one lot that does not have road
frontage. They must all have road frontage. Barry Pritchard
said if he gets the Town to put in the road, it would be okay.
Steve Greene quoted from the Town of Oswego Subdivision Regulations,
Page 3, Section 7, Definition of Subdivision, No. 2
"The division of a parcel of land into two or more lots
where one or more of the lots lacks existing road frontage."
Fran apologized for his misinterpretation at the last meeting.
Judy said this should go back to the Town. He should go to Theresa
if he is amending his business permit. Fran said we should write
a letter to Mr. Darling stating this, and give him some steps
as to what he has to do before he comes to another meeting.
Judy said we must resolve the ownership of the land. Barry Pritchard
said another option would be if the homeowner maintains the
road. Fran said after we get the road issue worked out, then
he could come to a meeting. Judy asked for a motion. Fran made
the motion, and John Pritchard seconded it. All Ayes. Motion
carried.
Fran stated appeared at the Zoning Board Meeting last week,
and was impressed at the action they took in the Donald Smith
application by denying it. They did what was right as we all
try to do. He also stated that a letter was written to the neighbors
within 1,500 feet, and there were no complaints.
The matter of John Bush's proposal came up for discussion, and
John Vashaw owning the property. That is also in an R-2 zone
where business is not allowed. Wayne Newton, the CEO wrote a
letter to Mr. Vashaw ordering him to stop the operation of any
and all business at that location.
Judy brought up the subject of Mr. Hawe's sign. It is 7 feet
by 13 feet. It was also mentioned changes in the name of the
campground on the sign. One is Orchard Park Campground, and
another for Yesterday's RV Park, as indicated in his brochure.
Fran mentioned the height of the sign in relation to a motor
home height. It was also discussed how far back the sign would
be placed on the property. Judy was concerned about people with
an RV pulling out of the campground, and not being able to see
around the sign. She also asked if anyone noticed he has cabins
on the survey It was also questioned as to how far back the
sign will be from the road. The sign is not included on the
site plan. Kenn Kern said we should request a site plan for
the sign. Kenn measured the survey with a ruler, and stated
the sign will be located 50 feet from the road right of way
boundary.
Judy suggested we write to the residents of the Silver Lake
Subdivision who appeared at the meeting, and send them copies
of the letters written to James Regan and OCWA.
Adjournment:
Ken Kern made a motion to adjourn the meeting at approximately
8:30 PM. John Pritchard seconded the motion. All ayes. Motion
carried.
Respectfully submitted,
Marjorie Best,
Secretary to Planning Board |
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